Dr. Brooke Stillwell – The Multi-Talented Life: Mastering Family, Writing and Entrepreneurship

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Welcome, Brooke, to the UAC hot seat. I am so happy to have you. It’s funny that we’re recording this for, did we say our third time?

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Second.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, I said I’m not coming for a third time.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Okay. This is our second. This is our second. Okay. Yes. We had recorded one in Park City, and it didn’t end up recording, so that was a bummer because it was really awesome. But I’m super excited for the opportunity to talk to you again. So, tell us a little bit about how you got into UAC and what it’s kind of brought into your life.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: So, we are relatively new, I would say. It was, what, right after… It was like 2020. I think summer of ’20. Yeah, me and our family came to Park City, and my husband, Ken, was actually one of the speakers. And first-time meeting everybody, it was great because it was a family event, so our kids had a chance to meet everyone. And we just loved it. And I think coming off of like all of the pandemic stuff and realizing at that point in time how important it was to have people that matched up with your core values, and your philosophy and approach to life, it was such a gift to have that, because we don’t necessarily have that locally as much. So, it was really… It was like exactly what we needed at the time, and we love being a part of the UAC.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: I was just listening to something about that, and it was just… It’s been a minute, but it caused me to go back there and reflect on what we all went through for three years. But it really was a time of stagnation. Like we couldn’t think about the future. And so, it’s funny what you just said, because I’ve leaned on this group so much, and kind of what you felt, because we were all able to dream because we at least knew that we believed the same, that the future… Things would get back, that things would change, for sure, but we all believed the same things. And so, yeah, it was a crazy time.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Well, I think as chiropractors, automatically, at least for me… I mean, my dad is a chiropractor, I was raised under a chiropractic philosophy. My grandfather was the same way. And so, I’ve always had this approach to life that made me a little bit different, and because that’s such a strong value for me, it’s not necessarily easy to connect with people in day-to-day life, because it’s such a big part of my life. And then, take the pandemic, and that was all under a microscope even more, like, “Oh my gosh, I really need to find my people.” And so, coming into UAC was just, once again, such a blessing for that.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: The fact of the core values I think makes such a huge difference with that. And I know as far as growing up that way, having it so ingrained, what has been your experience with UAC specifically, with like bringing your family? And I know your husband has really gotten involved in UAC, which I think is so cool, he’s been such an incredible addition. Just let us know a little bit about what that has looked like for you so far.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, it’s been really nice. Once again, going back to my own upbringing, growing up in a chiropractic house, I didn’t necessarily have… I mean, the good thing is, my dad is one of seven and five of them, five of him and his siblings, went to chiropractic school, so a lot of my family was chiropractic. But outside of that, I didn’t have friends and things like that were necessarily living life the way we were. Especially in today’s world, it’s so important for me to have my kids around other kids that are living the same lifestyle. Especially like, my kids are teens, 13 to 19, and them especially feel this need. They just want to fit in and belong. They want somewhere where they feel like everybody else. They don’t want to stick out, they don’t want to be necessarily different, even though I don’t believe that’s a bad thing, but that’s just their age. And so, to have them come into the UAC and to meet other kids that are their age, that are being raised the same way, that have similar approaches to life, that have parents that feel the same way, that all of a sudden, they’re there going, “Okay, this is not… There are other people living this lifestyle as well.”

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And that has been such a gift, especially for my middle son. He really has made some connections there, which has been really great. And Ken loves… I mean, you guys know Ken. Ken is in a room, like he can make friends with a brick wall, so like… Lacking there [laughter] and he’s very strong in his values and what he believes. So, he’s going to hang out with anyone and be his own person anyway, but he equally loves it.

 

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Dr. Lynne Mouw: And he’s been such a great asset, because for those people listening that don’t know, Ken is the CFO of a publicly traded company, has worked in many businesses and scaled and just had a lot of success in the financial world. So, he brings that to the table in UAC. He’s always got some great wisdom to share. But let’s talk about you, because you’ve embarked on a pretty exciting venture, and tell us what you’ve been up to. [chuckle] I might know a little bit about it, but…

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I can’t imagine.

 

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Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah. So, once again, 2020 was a big shift for me. I was still in practice at the time. And I stayed in practice throughout everything that had gone on with the pandemic, but I was just feeling this push for… I wanted something different. I wanted more flexibility. I didn’t want to be tied to having to go into an office. I saw my kids getting older and feeling this push to like… They’re getting ready to launch and get out of the house, I want to have time with them, I want to have flexibility with them. So, I wanted to build something that I could do around being flexible with them, being able to work wherever I wanted to be, and things of that nature. And you and I, Lynne, we went to college together. You are older than me, so you graduated… [laughter]

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Thanks for pointing that out. Everybody needed to know that. [laughter]

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I love the eye roll. I wish people could see this recording. But anyway, you and I have been best friends for over 20 years, and we had talked… Gosh, we’ve been talking for years just off and on, daydreaming about doing something together that would give us some purpose and meaning and add a little fun as we got older. So, we launched this online business and brand called Life After Kids. I’m still seeing patients just on my terms, very, very part-time just because I love it and I have a few people that I really love to serve. But aside from that, my heart and soul is in this business. So, it’s been a huge learning curve, but it’s been awesome to do it with you, Lynne. And it’s been awesome to reach a bigger community, and it’s been really exciting to learn about the online space and marketing and branding and all of those things.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: So, I think there’s like lots of us out here thinking about doing something like that. What have been some of your bigger challenges and things that have been surprising about this new journey that you’re on?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, I think probably… I mean, it’s funny for you guys to be interviewing me, because Dr. Lynne is equally involved in this, and she could be speaking…

 

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Dr. Lynne Mouw: We want to hear from you today.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: If I speak out of turn, feel free to speak up, Lynne. But I think that one of the biggest things for me has been just how important marketing is, how important copy is. Because here’s the thing, you can have a kickass product or idea that is amazing, but if you don’t know how to speak it and tell your ideal customer what it is or why they need it, it doesn’t matter. And on the flip side, you can have a crappy offering, but if you can sell the crap out of it and you know how to tell the story, you’re still… Like, it’s unbelievable how much everything goes back to marketing. Now, if it’s a crappy product, it might not stay viable because eventually people are going to figure it out. But point being, marketing is everything, and marketing in an online space is a little bit tricky because there’s a whole lot that goes into it. There are algorithms, there’s constant changes that are happening that you have to keep up with, there’s copy, there’s… I mean, there’s just so many… Headings. There are so many things that Lynne and I have learned over this, just figuring that out.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: What have been some of your guys’ resources when it comes to that, like learning and experience; has it just been as you go? Like how have you guys done that?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Well, I think we started off, the very first thing we did, would you agree, Lynne, was I think super helpful, because we built the website off of it, we started to build our email list, we built a lead magnet off of it. And that was with a girl named Amy Porterfield, who I highly recommend; she has online courses, and she basically has courses to teach people how to do their own course and build their own online business. And so that was super helpful. Lynne’s a learner, and so I think that was helpful just to be learning all of that. And we’re both doers, so being able to take that, implement it, was huge. And then beyond that, there’s been other things. We use like Russell Brunson stuff, Click Funnels, we read books…

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: And I would say even before that, before we went into that, the very first step, and I think you would agree, Brooke, we got this from UAC, was we started with our why, right?

 

Brooke Stillwell: Yes.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: And our ideal customers. We got really intentional about who are we serving. And we went through the Story Brand process, which I first originally heard about from Nicholas Silveri, who is with UAC. And we read the book, we both read the book. So that was our very first step. And that I think has helped us get through. Yeah.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, I think that was the bigger picture, those things. And thank you for mentioning Story Brand, because that was early on. But I mean, we had calls, we do weekly calls, and I think our very first call was sitting down and, “Okay, let’s hammer through our core values. What are the core values of this business? What do we want to bring to the table?” And then we spent, gosh, how much time on, who is our avatar, what does she look like? We interviewed people for it. We did all of these things. And then once that backbone stuff was done, then when we got into the like, how are we going to build this out, that’s when we went to Amy Porterfield, right?

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Yeah. And again, we’ve learned this… We started out not knowing what we didn’t know, but we jumped in, like you said, and we just followed along the path with some of the people we knew, and just things fell into place, and it’s certainly still evolving. But what would you say, because we have done almost all of our content ourselves, so to the chiropractor out there who’s marketing their practice or a product or something that they have, that has not stepped into content creation, what advice would you give them? Because I know a lot of docs that are super hesitant about it, and I was, before we dove in, and it sort of forced us to get into that space. So, what advice would you give about creating your own content for your business?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah. I think that… Well, I think here’s the thing. I’ve been talking about this a lot recently and I just was talking to the girls on my accountability call, which by the way has been another huge blessing with UAC. But I was saying to them that this stuff is really, no offense to anybody listening that has a business that does this for somebody, but it’s not… You can figure it out. You can absolutely 100% figure it out if you’re willing to put in the time. The problem is maybe you don’t want to or maybe you don’t have the time because you’re running your business or your practice or whatever it is. But I feel like what ends up happening is that we just feel overwhelmed and a little bit paralyzed because we want it to be perfect. So, either we don’t do anything, or we pay somebody a boatload of money to do it for us, when maybe we could be doing some of it on our own. That’s number one.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And then number two, I would say, I think the other piece is, nobody knows your client or your patient or whatever it is, hopefully, like you do. Nobody’s walking, if you’re a chiropractor, the chiropractic walk like you are. So, I don’t care who you hire, they’re not going to know how to speak your language like you are. So, there’s why I’m like… You and I have talked Lynne, too, about, well, maybe we get someone to do this or maybe we get… But their content is not going to be as authentic, because it’s our voice, it’s my voice that I want to be heard to the people that are seeing me on social media. It’s not… I don’t want somebody else doing that for me. Does that make sense?

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Absolutely.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Two. And then the third one, there was one other thing that I wanted to say. Oh, I would say… And I basically just said it, is you just be yourself. And that can be difficult because, you get on social media and anyone can see you. But I think that people on social media have very good BS radars, meaning that if you’re being fake or trying to be something you’re not, or you’re just going through the motions or whatever, they see it. I think… I see with Lynne and I, time and time again, the content that does the best is the most raw, the most vulnerable. And not only that, sometimes just like we’ve spent money at photoshoots which are great, I love them, and the pictures are awesome, they’re great for our website, but the posts that do the best for us, would you agree, are like a selfie that we take when we’re out, whatever, doing a hike or in a restaurant. I mean, it’s true, because I think that’s what we all want, is like real life day-to-day stuff. And I think as chiropractors we have a lot to offer because we’re living that lifestyle and sharing that is a huge thing. That’s a simple place to start with content, in my opinion.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: That’s so true. And I would just add onto that a fourth is, to just do it and give yourself permission. It’s going to feel clunky at first, but the fact of posting once a day, or if your rhythm is three times a week, whatever it is for you, commit to that rhythm. Because, yes, on Monday your content could stink, [chuckle] but by Wednesday and Friday, and the more you do it, it’s going to feel easier and it’s going to come more natural to you, and your content will get better. Would you agree?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I would totally agree. And I’m glad you said that, because… And we were just talking about this at an event the other day. Like, you’re not supposed to be perfect or awesome your first time. That’s why it’s the first time. Lynne, remember our… Oh my gosh, our first Facebook lives? Like, I couldn’t…

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: I’m trying to forget them.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Wasn’t working and like we were like a total shit show. But, like, so what? Here we are now, we’ve got like 2000 people in our group, which obviously we need to grow more. It’s not like that’s what we’re… But I’m saying like, they want you to just be you. You just need to show up and do it. And…

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Be a shit show and clunky.

 

[laughter]

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: For sure. But had we not started, waiting to have it all figured out, we’d still be sitting there, you know?

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: 100%.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: So, the project is like definitely fulfilling a big purpose. Like what, Brooke, are you like feeling the most proud of when it comes to this whole project?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: With the Life After Kids project?

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Yes. Yeah.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I would say, well, I would first of all like, to be having Lynne by my side and like I don’t think I’ve ever felt closer to her. She’s just, I got to give her props because she’s just such a phenomenal human being. Honestly, it’s true. Like that’s been such a blessing for me. Not only to do this but do it with her. And ups and downs, for sure, but to get to know each other on a deeper level and to spend the time, and then to be able to share our friendship and how to navigate female relationships with our audience has been huge. And then I think the other thing for me, and I did not anticipate this, Stefanie, but like I’ve always loved to write. I’m not top five communication, but I think I’m number six. So, I’m a communicator and I’ve always loved to write.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And when I was little, I mean, from the time I was like kindergarten, I was either going be a chiropractor or a journalist. It was one or the other. And I went the chiropractic route, but now I’m getting a chance to write not only in my post but in our blogs. And what I didn’t anticipate was the effect and the changes in growth it would have on me in wanting to help other women. Because you pour your heart out, at least for me, you get raw, you share things, you process as you’re writing. Like, this last blog I did, Lynne, in particular, it just… That has been such a gift, just being able to process this transition in life. Because Lynne and I are going through it. That’s what makes Life After Kids so great, because we are midlife women, our kids are growing up and leaving, we are doing all of the hormone stuff and the whatever. And to be able to process together and share it with other women and then process it as we’re doing it has been just such a blessing.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: So cool.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: It’s awesome.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Yeah, it’s so true. You do, you almost heal as you’re sharing, and then in the process, hopefully you’re helping someone else with the same thing. And it really is, it’s really rewarding.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah. It’s unbelievable. And we’ve had… We’ve said like, people that reach out to us and say like, “Thank you for that today.” Like, it’s just that… Even if it’s just one person, it’s one person. And then on top of that, to just be growing and changing yourself is huge.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: That’s awesome. I’m so happy you guys are doing that and to do it together, how fun, like just to share in that. Absolutely.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Yeah. I mean, we’ve known each other from before obviously UAC, but I don’t know that without the both of us being in this group we would have come together to do something like this. I mean, it’s possible, but I definitely just want to encourage other people listening to this to, if you want to do something new, to consider partnerships, like doing it with somebody else. Because we’ve all built our practice, or many of us have built a practice and we’ve gotten to a certain place. It’s so rewarding to start new businesses and ventures with the right partners, and people you respect and love. And it’s a whole added layer of success, for me.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Especially if you complement each other. Because you are not going to be able to do all… Likely, unless you’re a perfect person, your strengths are not going to be in every single area. So, when you find a person that complements you or picks up where you drop off or whatever, it’s a huge help. For sure. It’s great. I agree.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Absolutely.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: At what point did you guys’ kind of figure… Did you figure that out? That like, “Oh, we should do this together, we should collaborate.”? Like, what made you guys pull the trigger to really like go forward in this journey?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: We were coming down off of a hike in New Hampshire, and we just talked, like I think the Christmas before that, because we get together most Christmas, we’ve been doing that for years. And we had talked about doing something with… We talked about a couple of different things, and we were just brainstorming about where we were in our life, this phase, and how we’ve lived our life and how we are so dedicated to keeping ourselves as healthy as possible, and our patients, and committed to showing up as our best selves. And we were like, “We need to… How can we bring that to other women? How can we share our experience with ourselves and with our patients?” And we just… We were coming down that mountain so fast and it was like…

 

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Dr. Brooke Stillwell: You know like when you know you’re onto something and you’re like in your life, back and forth.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: So good.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And that was like August, Lynne?

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Mm-hmm. Yep.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And by September, October, the whole website was built out, and then we launched with our first blog and newsletter and first posting that January.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Wow, that’s awesome.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: It’s been great.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Well, I love it. So, let’s see. You guys have been coming to almost every event. You’ve met a lot of people in our group. But for those that don’t know you yet, what would you… What else would you like to tell us about yourself? Your family, your hobbies? What should we know about Dr. Brooke?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: How much time do you have? No.

 

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Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I pretty much, I guess like, you definitely want to meet my husband, Ken, because he is like a whole thing on his own. He’s a lot of fun.

 

[laughter]

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: And I think I mentioned I have three boys, right? One is getting ready to go play lacrosse in college next year. So he’s leaving, and then the year after that, Andrew goes. And then I’ve got… We’ve got AJ, who’s going to be in eighth grade. So, we’re on the cusp of like, close to empty nesting. Love to ski, love the outdoors, love hiking. We spend a lot of time on the lake in New England. We do a lot of boating. We’re definitely family focused. We’ve focused on our kids all of our lives and spend a lot of time with them, and still spending a lot of good quality time with them. So, it’s fun now to be at UAC and be able to still have family time with them, but do it with other families, so we get the adult interaction as well and the kids are having fun too. Yeah, I think that’s it. I don’t know. What else?

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: I can remember from our last podcast, I had asked you, because I know I’ve got… I’ve got two little boys and you’ve got three, big boys. But still like, just coming from like a boy mom, and just understanding that boys are different, what kind of things do you really do to connect with each boy, and just from a mother perspective of making sure that you’re like really feeling connected with each one of them?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, that is a really good question. Yeah, with three boys and being a mom, and here’s the thing, and I think I shared this the first time we recorded, that I wish somebody would’ve told me right off the bat, and maybe you guys saw this more clearly, but it took me some time to realize that you couldn’t parent each kid the same. I mean, we do to some extent, there are some overarching things that obviously are going to ride for all of them, but they also need to be handled and communicated with a little differently, because they’re all three different. So, I think that’s number one, is just really understanding them and their strengths and connecting with them in those ways. And then for me it’s been finding things that are important to them, that I can take an interest in too. Because, let’s face it, like at this age, they don’t want to… Like I’m their mom, like okay, I’m not like… I think I’m interesting, but they don’t necessarily think I’m interesting.

 

[laughter]

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: So, you have to meet them where they are. And I think I’ve shared, like Andrew, my middle… Like Anthony’s easy, he’s the oldest, and he… I got like basically my girl that loves to shop, because he loves shopping, he loves fashion and he’ll shop with me. It’s really fun.

 

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Dr. Brooke Stillwell: We have that connection. He and I connect. We’re similar, we connect on a lot of levels. But Andrew’s the middle one, and he and I are very different. And he is also the kind of stereotypical middle son, but he, just as a concrete example, has always loved like action figures and Marvel movies and those sorts of things. And so, I sat down with him when school was out in 2020 and watched one of the Marvel movies, and just because he asked me to and I was like, “All right, I’ll give it a go.” And actually, ended up liking it. Now, that’s our thing. Like the one just dropped two weeks ago, and he had tickets for the two of us to go to like opening night.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: That’s so awesome.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: So, there’s nothing second to that to have a 17-year-old

boy that’s like, “Mom, I’m getting us tickets, let’s go.” So, I think like, make it about them and not you. Like whatever they’re interested in, make it your interest too. I don’t care what it is. Like I’ve watched so many Star Wars movies and so many Marvel movies and now he is got me watching Outer Banks, which I can’t believe because I’m up at night But anyway…

 

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Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, that’s the important thing, I think, is just connecting with them and meeting them where they are.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: You’re so good at that. I’ve watched you do that for many years with your boys, and your boys are just wonderful, wonderful people and great humans and so much to be proud of there.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: That’s nice to hear.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Yes, well, we love them, and we love you. Where can we… I mean, this is a little bit of… [chuckle] but we want to know, seriously, where can we go to listen to you, and me, and hear…

 

[laughter]

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: And just read your posts, and where can we find out more about Life After Kids?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah, so Life after Kids, and I don’t even think I mentioned, I should back up because I didn’t really mention… I mean, the name says it all, but it really is a space, we’re building community for midlife women, specifically mothers whose kids are growing up, typically between the ages of 13 and say early adulthood, to reinvent themselves, reimagine their life, focus on their purpose and their health now that the kids are growing up. And so, you can find everything that you would need at our website, www.lifeafterkids.com. We’ve got a free video tutorial there. We’ve got some modules there that you can look at. All of our vlogs are there. We release a vlog once a week and we do a blog post and articles twice a month. So they’re all there. And then you can find us on Instagram at @life.afterkids, and what am I missing? Facebook is @DoctorsBrookeandLynne.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Awesome.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Yeah.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: So just leave us with some of your most meaningful advice for women in that space. If you’re a woman and you’re listening, or you’re a husband married to a woman of that age, like what is some of the most meaningful advice you have for a woman at this stage?

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I think that there’s a couple of things that are really resonating with me right now. Well, one of them I’ve known forever, but I’ll share especially in this particular time of life. Because we tell our community, and I was just talking about this yesterday, that this is like a perfect storm, because we’re not only getting older and our hormones are shifting, we’re showing more signs of aging, things are changing, and then at the same time if you’re a mom and your kids are leaving the house, like it’s just like the melding of two things that can create a perfect storm. And I think don’t ever, ever, ever discount how closely connected physical health is to your emotional and mental health. You just cannot separate the two. And if you’re having issues with an identity shift or figuring out who you are and what’s next now that the kids are growing up, you got to… There are certain things you can focus on, and Lynne, that’s really your space.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: But if you are not healthy physically, if you’re not watch… Like garbage in, garbage out. So, if you’re not watching how you move your body, if you’re not watching what you eat, if you’re not watching what you put into your brain and how you manage your stress, it’s not going to fall into place for you. I think that’s number one. I think that also, in caveat to that, like, who is it? St. Francis Assisi, he has a quote that’s like, “Always be teaching and when necessary, speak it.” It’s something like that. Always teach, when necessary, speak. So, in other words, like your husband you mentioned, Lynne, your kids, people around you are watching what you do, and the best way for you to help them become the people they need to be is to be the example. And I see that with my kids every day. I mean, I just was in my sauna this morning and my son joined me, my 19-year-old. I’m like, “Seriously, this is happening right now? Like, I’m trying to pray, I’m trying to read my Bible and… ” But I’ve got my 19-year-old and that didn’t come from me. Like, Anthony, you need to do this, you need… It came because he’s been watching me for 19 years do all these things, right? So…

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Love it.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: That, and I think don’t be afraid to pivot would be my last thing. Pivoting was was big for me last year. And that relates to anything in life, but also even in business, that just because it doesn’t work out the first time around doesn’t mean that it’s not the right thing. It just means that… It’s okay to, and I learned this from my husband too, like figure out soon that it’s not working and don’t be afraid to pivot and shift to something else. One of the biggest mistakes you could make is to just hold on to something. Sorry, are we… We need to get off. I’m talking too much. And, anyway, I think that that’s really, really important. Like, don’t give up and don’t be afraid to pivot, and don’t think that if it’s not coming easy to you, it’s not the right thing. And if you don’t believe me, go watch the show, The Offer.

 

[laughter]

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: It’s good. Right? I told you.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: I mean, seriously, I watched that, and I was like… Things can need to happen and be super successful and you can sometimes hit a roadblock at every single turn or the corner that you turn, right? You just have to push through it and be persistent.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Absolutely. Well, we absolutely love you. Thank you so much, Dr. Brooke.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: Thanks.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Thank you so much for sharing with us today. You’re so awesome, Brooke. Thank you.

 

Dr. Brooke Stillwell: It was great to be with you guys. I love you both. Look forward to seeing you again.

 

Dr. Lynne Mouw: Take two was awesome. Thank you.

 

Dr. Stefanie Rodsater: Yeah. [chuckle]

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